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2012-01-28T13:53:51.588-06:00

"Wants to colonize the Moon"

WY KNOTT, Gospodin? So long as it's done with private funds (tax-exempt or not)?

publican et al. My whole "defense contractor...

2012-01-27T00:44:28.048-06:00

publican et al.

My whole "defense contractors" point was almost precisely what publican was saying. He just didn't see what I was getting at, so I'll take it point by point.

1) The primary goal of US government since the end of World War II has been the transfer of as much wealth as possible from the pockets of taxpayers into the bank accounts of the "military-industrial complex."

2) That's probably not going to change until the US falls completely apart, which will probably be less than 50, but more than 10, years from now.

3) Now, look at the excuses used for moving the money, and how those excuses have panned out. Things like the "space race," in which the US competed on technological stuff with large enemies like the Soviet Union have tended to produce more cool stuff -- everything from lasers to Tang to the Intertubes -- than competing on the ability to fill body bags with enemies like Vietnam and Iraq.

If the primary purpose of raping the taxpayer is going to continue to be adding to the bottom lines of Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, et. al, I'd rather we paid them to build a moon base than to continue failing to figure out (because it's an insoluble problem) how to turn Kabul, Afghanistan into Akron, Ohio.

Publican: Tom is right about most things and he is...

2012-01-26T22:05:46.591-06:00

Publican:
Tom is right about most things and he is as far as it goes. My question to you is, how would Halliburton benefitting from a Mars shot benefit us? I think some of what you say is true, but it takes years for that stuff to trickle down and the recent history of what Tom is talking about would leave you with the same question. Besides, defense contractors shouldn't be planning a Mars base.

The check is in the mail, so you can buy. :)

2012-01-26T22:01:50.778-06:00

The check is in the mail, so you can buy. :)

"publican," with due respect, you...

2012-01-26T21:46:14.018-06:00

"publican," with due respect, you... calling Knapp a dumbass... is like watching a chihuahua snarl at a grey wolf.

Hey RG, got any popcorn?

This board is full of dumbasses tonight. Hey Gary,...

2012-01-26T21:33:20.142-06:00

This board is full of dumbasses tonight. Hey Gary, I know how "sensitive" you are to the wrongs of the past. I think we should go to England and round up all of the Normans and Saxons. Those dirty bastards stole England from the Angles. And while we are at it, we better go get the Romans and the Vikings as well - separate all of the the folks related to them and put them into Camps run by FEMA, perhaps? You idiot. Yeah, indians got a raw deal in some cases, but they were savages that treated each other about as good as the Nazis treated the Polish or the Jews. If the Indians would have been left in control of North America, there would be mass starvation worldwide right now.

Hey, Krappster, you said this: "On the other ...

2012-01-26T21:28:41.327-06:00

Hey, Krappster, you said this:
"On the other hand, the costs of going to the moon, and then Mars, would be a less gory and troublesome way of transferring wealth from the productive class to "defense" contractors than continuing to lose ground wars in Asia has been". How does it feel to be a dumbass? Geez. Much of what we enjoy today was an outgrowth of the "defense" contractors, you numskull. Take lasers - these were INVENTED by a former employer of mine, for military purposes, but have gone on to be of huge benefit in so many ways that it's hard to count. You stupid leftist nutcases never tell the whole story. So stuff it.

Like I said, Indians did plenty killing themselves...

2012-01-26T18:57:17.147-06:00

Like I said, Indians did plenty killing themselves, of their own and whites, at times unprovoked. It's not black and white. Your analysis presupposes that that it's possible to be a totally innocent bystander. That doesn't exist. The indians played a part in their own destruction.

It's not black and white. Looks bla...

2012-01-26T18:43:09.714-06:00

**** It's not black and white. ****

Looks black and white from here.

Step #1) White man wants Indian's land.

Step #2) Indian is dead.

Step #3) White man moves in.

History is easy when you break it down.

No one is lying Gary, except the indians. I am not...

2012-01-26T17:42:48.539-06:00

No one is lying Gary, except the indians. I am not saying everything was on the up and up, but it wasn't as you say either. It's not black and white.

"Ran is showing a high degree of intellige...

2012-01-26T17:41:31.766-06:00
"Ran is showing a high degree of intelligence by agreeing with me." Thanks, pal. I'll never live it down.

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**** Gary's almost right about the redistribu...

2012-01-26T17:24:00.870-06:00
**** Gary's almost right about the redistribution part. It was redistributed capital, - unrealized potential wealth - and forced redistribution at that. ****

Ran is showing a high degree of intelligence by agreeing with me.

From Vandals to Nazis, killing people and stealing their capital (unrealized or not) is nothing new in history.

But I love how Americans feel the need to lie to themselves and pretend they are different from every other thief in history.

BUT RG is right. Completely.

2012-01-26T17:15:47.782-06:00
BUT RG is right. Completely.

"primitives" Gary's almost right ab...

2012-01-26T17:14:26.450-06:00
"primitives"

Gary's almost right about the redistribution part. It was redistributed capital, - unrealized potential wealth - and forced redistribution at that.

Note that "redistribution of wealth" can only occur freely between agreeing parties in a non-distorted market. Government can only forcibly seize capital and redistribute debt and distort markets. Just sayin'.

Humans are primates. And what gets me Gary, is ju...

2012-01-26T17:09:24.687-06:00
Humans are primates.
And what gets me Gary, is just like with slavery and blacks, the debt will never be paid, even if the malefactors have been dead for decades and then centuries. The blacks and indians today will get all the mileage they can, even if they can live a life their ancestors never dreamed of. It's all a narrative created for sympathy and political advantage.

**** "these antediluvian primates" **** ...

2012-01-26T17:03:32.002-06:00
**** "these antediluvian primates" ****

This really says is all.

Primates. To this day these human beings are not viewed as being human.

Really, then explain how these antediluvian primat...

2012-01-26T16:27:44.506-06:00
Really, then explain how these antediluvian primates came about with the idea that no one owns the land, especially them. It's counterfactual to their statement that it was their land. They were lying then or they are lying now.

They didn't compete for land as much as resources, meaning food and I suppose some sort of tribal supremacy. And I will add, many of the wars you mention, they merely took sides WITH white men.

These aren't angels that somehow through the suspension of the laws of the universe had the trials of Job rained down upon them. They lost Gary. Get over it.

**** it had to do with a way of life, not ownershi...

2012-01-26T16:15:24.476-06:00
**** it had to do with a way of life, not ownership of the ground beneath them. ****

REALLY?!?!?!?! What a fantasy world you live in.

So all these different tribes in the wars below really did not care about their land.

I guess Tecumseh, Red Bird, Antonga Black Hawk and Geronimo were all mistaken when they went to war. If only Right Guy had been there to advise them of the error of their ways.

Indian Wars
East of the Mississippi

American Revolution (1775–1783)
Chickamauga Wars (1776–1794)
Northwest Indian War (1785–1795)
Nickajack Expedition (1794)
Sabine Expedition (1806)
War of 1812 (1811–1815)
Tecumseh's War (1811–1813)
Creek War (1813–1814)
Peoria War (1813)
First Seminole War (1817–1818)
Winnebago War (1827)
Black Hawk War (1832)
Creek Alabama Uprising (1835–1837)
Florida–Georgia Border War (1836)
Second Seminole War (1835–1842)
Missouri–Iowa Border War (1836)
Osage Indian War (1837)
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Indian Wars
West of the Mississippi

Battle of Woody Point (1811)
Arikara War (1823)
Texas–Indian Wars (1836–1877)
Comanche Wars (1836–1877)
Antelope Hills Expedition (1858)
Comanche War (1868–1874)
Red River War (1874–1875)
Buffalo Hunters' War (1876–1877)
Cayuse War (1848–1855)
Apache Wars (1849–1924)
Jicarilla War (1849–1855)
Chiricahua Wars (1860–1886)
Tonto War (1871–1875)
Renegade Period (1879–1924)
Victorio's War (1879–1880)
Geronimo's War (1881–1886)
Yuma War (1850–1853)
Ute Wars (1850–1923)
Provo War (1850)
Walker War (1853–1854)
Tintic War (1856)
Black Hawk's War (1865–1872)
White River War (1879)
Ute War (1887)
Bluff War (1914-1915)
Bluff Skirmish (1921)
Posey War (1923)
Sioux Wars (1854–1891)
First Sioux War (1854)
Dakota War (1862)
Colorado War (1863–1865)
Powder River War (1865)
Red Cloud's War (1866–1868)
Great Sioux War (1876–1877)
Ghost Dance War (1890–1891)
Rogue River Wars (1855–1856)
Yakima War (1855–1858)
Puget Sound War (1855–1856)
Coeur d'Alene War (1858)
Mohave War (1858–1859)
Navajo Wars (1858–1864)
Paiute War (1860)
Yavapai Wars (1861–1875)
Snake War (1864–1869)
Hualapai War (1865–1870)
Modoc War (1872–1873)
Nez Perce War (1877)
Bannock War (1878)
Crow War (1887)
Bannock Uprising (1895)
Yaqui Uprising (1896)
Battle of Sugar Point (1898)
Crazy Snake Rebellion (1909)
Last Massacre (1911)
Battle of Kelley Creek (1911)
Battle of Bear Valley (1918)

And I will ask, how did killing Custer work out fo...

2012-01-26T15:33:43.963-06:00
And I will ask, how did killing Custer work out for them?

They killed Custer because, one they could and two...

2012-01-26T15:33:00.418-06:00
They killed Custer because, one they could and two, they didn't fancy living on a reservation. It doesn't mean they fancied themselves landed gentry, but they preferred living as nomadic peoples as opposed to living on the res. I can understand why they wouldn't want to live on a res too, BUT, it had to do with a way of life, not ownership of the ground beneath them.

**** The indians were nomadic tribes that didn'...

2012-01-26T15:02:26.189-06:00
**** The indians were nomadic tribes that didn't have a concept of land ownership ****

Right Guy,

Tell that fairy tale to the very, very late George Armstrong Custer.

Custer discovered first hand that Indians wanted to protect their land from invasion.

Shit, now I"ll have that Les Paul tune in my ...

2012-01-26T14:47:19.881-06:00
Shit, now I"ll have that Les Paul tune in my head all day!

Ran: You don't even have to go that far back. ...

2012-01-26T13:25:52.947-06:00
Ran:
You don't even have to go that far back. Our coming here basically interrupted the expansion of the Comanches. They made the Sioux look like boy scouts.

And I would say to Gary, the red man can't have it both ways. On one hand we hear from the indians that no one can own the land and that is why they laughed their asses off when we bought manhattan for the paltry sum. They never thought they owned it. Now that the white man has proliferated, they got schooled in John Locke and all of a sudden their land was stolen.

The indians were nomadic tribes that didn't have a concept of land ownership and were out competed for it. They did the same to competing tribes too. The only difference with us is that they unilaterally lost. Somehow that makes them winners or right in the eyes of some.

Now, if you want to talk about treaties broken fine. Mistreatment and murder of women and children, ok, but it certainly isn't a simplistic situation as we stole their land. They never owned or believed they did until they saw they were going down.

Well, some people think the Nazis still have a sec...

2012-01-26T13:20:38.965-06:00
Well, some people think the Nazis still have a secret moon base, so there's your Hitler angle.

I bet most of those guys are voting for Ron Paul, though.

Okay, just to please you Gary. Hitler. Happy now...

2012-01-26T13:14:50.943-06:00
Okay, just to please you Gary.

Hitler.

Happy now?

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publican et al. My whole "defense contractor...

Publican: Tom is right about most things and he is...

The check is in the mail, so you can buy. :)

"publican," with due respect, you...

This board is full of dumbasses tonight. Hey Gary,...

Hey, Krappster, you said this: "On the other ...

Like I said, Indians did plenty killing themselves...

**** It's not black and white. **** Looks bla...

No one is lying Gary, except the indians. I am not...

"Ran is showing a high degree of intellige...

**** Gary's almost right about the redistribu...

BUT RG is right. Completely.

"primitives" Gary's almost right ab...

Humans are primates. And what gets me Gary, is ju...

**** "these antediluvian primates" **** ...

Really, then explain how these antediluvian primat...

**** it had to do with a way of life, not ownershi...

And I will ask, how did killing Custer work out fo...

They killed Custer because, one they could and two...

**** The indians were nomadic tribes that didn'...

Shit, now I"ll have that Les Paul tune in my ...

Ran: You don't even have to go that far back. ...

Well, some people think the Nazis still have a sec...

Okay, just to please you Gary. Hitler. Happy now...

"Wants to colonize the Moon"
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It's not black and white. Looks bla...

"these antediluvian primates" ...