Monday, August 5, 2013

Libertarian Nativists: Hey! That's us!!


Star Spangled Americanism + individual liberty and free markets; what's not to love? 

by Eric Dondero 

Hyper liberal Peter Beinhart nails it this morning, in his Daily Beast column, "Why the Tea Party Is a Nativist Libertarian Movement." Of course, there's the typical snarks and disses. But among all the ideological leftism, this gem:
many Tea Partiers don’t only fear government intrusion; they also fear people they consider alien or militant. They are not only libertarians. They’re nativists too. (Emphasis added.)
That's us here at Libertarian Republican: Right-libertarianism. We support America for AMERICANS!

Or, another way to put it, if you want to be in America, well goddamnit! BE AMERICAN.

We don't care what your friggin' skin color is or where you come from, so long as you bow down to posters of Marilyn Monroe, worship Elvis, like fast cars and NASCAR, hot chics in bikinis, listen to Toby Keith, Ted Nugent and Aerosmith, cheer for Bruce Willis and Sylvester Stallone, wear ballcaps for your favorite Major League Baseball team, eat hot dogs and apple pie, celebrate the 4th of July, drink Miller Lite, Bud or Coors, view Jefferson and Washington as the two single greatest Americans who ever lived, have a basic understanding of the Bill of Rights, respect the US Military, salute the flag, and can sing every bar - correctly - of the Star Spangled Banner. 

Oh, and that you vote Republican. 

Of course, this separates us right-libertarians (Tea Party America, Glenn Beck, Allen West, Sarah Palin, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Pamela Geller, counter-Jihadists, Nigel Farage and UKIP, Geert Wilders and PVV, Genaration Identitaire, Dennis Miller, Ted Nugent, Boortz, Larry Elder, Greg Gutfeld, Libertarian Defense Caucus) - quite thankfully! - from the weenie left-libertarians: Reason, Cato, 95% of the Libertarian Party, Ron Paulists, Alex Jones-niaks, Paleo-cons, Lew Rockwell-heads,

RIGHT-LIBERTARIANISM: Pro-Military/Strong on Defense; Oppose Islamism and Sharia Law; anti-Nanny State; anti-Political Correctness; Pro-Sexual tolerance, Drug legalization, Prostitution, Gambling; Abolish the IRS; Downsize government; anti-Government regulation; Pro-Privatization; Repeal Affirmative Action; Pro-2nd Amendment; Protect our Borders first!


KN@PPSTER said...

Another one for the "is Dondero a DNC mole?" file.

Eric Dondero said...

Ohh, geez Tommie. Guess this doesn't quite fit your template. So, you're left speechless.

Face it dude: There are people out there, whether you like to admit it or not who both SUPPORT THE MILITARY AND SUPPORT LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS.

You CAN BE both LIBERTINE! and MILITARIST at the same time. There's ZERO contradiction. In fact, it's quite consistent.

We just want to be left alone. We hate Big Government, and we hate Big Islam.

Eric Dondero said...

You can't defeat the Islamists by throwing spitballs at them. It takes guns, and big guns. Bigger the better.

KN@PPSTER said...

Face it dude: There are people out there, whether you like to admit it or not who both SUPPORT THE MILITARY AND SUPPORT LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS.

You CAN BE both LIBERTINE! and MILITARIST at the same time.

Yes, you can.

What you can't be is libertarian and militarist at the same time.

Eric Dondero said...

Umm, okay smarty pants. Two questions.

Are you saying then the Libertarian Defense Caucus never existed? Hospers is just a figure of my imagination. Darlene Brinks and Mike Dunn never existed? Cliff Thies was a member of some fake made up group in the 1980s?

Secondly, if pro-military libertines are not "libertarians," than what's the name for such a classification?

Eric Dondero said...

Oh, another question.

Military libertines should just cede the term libertarian to the leftists simply because Rothbard, Bergland and Raimondo was successful at the 1975 Libertarian Party platform committee hearings at eliminating the pro-defense planks?

Because of some stupid ass LP platform committee meeting 40 fucking years ago, that we lost, us pro-defensers should just give up on the term "libertarian."

Over my fuckin' dead body asshole

KN@PPSTER said...

"Are you saying then the Libertarian Defense Caucus never existed?"

Of course it existed. It was just falsely labeled.

"Secondly, if pro-military libertines are not 'libertarians,' than what's the name for such a classification?"

Libertine fascist might work. Goering was "pro-military" but liked his opium.

But the more likely term would be "libertine progressive," since y'all openly take your cue from the first great American proto-fascist, Theodore Roosevelt, founder of American progressivism, and his successor, Woodrow Wilson.

"Military libertines should just cede the term libertarian to the leftists"

"Military libertines" are leftists -- statist-leftists in the mold of Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Leon Trotskiy.

No amount of whining on your part will turn hard-old-rightist Justin Raimondo into a "leftist."

Eric Dondero said...

Ohh, thanks so much for clearing that up. Anti-Islamofascists are now "fascists." Makes so much sense.

Eric Dondero said...

And Patton was a "fascist," even though he was fighting fascism. Ditto McAurther and Eisenhower, oh and Churchill and Monty too. All pro-fascist anti-fascists.

Eric Dondero said...

Hey, come to think of it maybe Tuyla Bieulat in Belorus Jewish resistance and the Warsaw Ghetto uprising guys were "fascists" too. They were militarists, and fighting Hitler's fascists.

More pro-fascist anti-fascists I guess.

mitsukurina said...

" statist-leftists in the mold of Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and Leon Trotskiy"

You can compare a person who believe in largely unregulated free markets, personal freedom, and an interventionist foreign policy to these three men (who, by the way, have little in common)? With a straight face?

You're nuts.

KN@PPSTER said...


I'm not sure where you got the idea that Dondero believes in "largely unregulated free markets."

He supports the single largest regulated/unfree market in the world, the US "defense" budget.

He also believes your property rights disappear if you do things he doesn't like with pieces of cloth you own that come in certain colors, or with livestock that he thinks should only be kept as pets.

It's true that there was quite a bit of daylight between Roosevelt/Wilson on the one hand and Trotsky on the other. I threw in Trotsky gratuitously, and will happily retract that one.

As far as anti-Islamo-fascism is concerned, Dondero doesn't get to call himself that unchallenged. The policies he advocates are the biggest boosters of Islamism worldwide.

Ronald A. Guillemette said...

Okay, you guys understand "nativist" is synonymous with anti-immigrant, not patriotism, don't you? Like the Know-Nothings, the KKK, and related groups? This is a form of protectionism, inconsistent with free market principles. I haven't read the DB piece but it's a smear. The red meat anti-immigrants have tried to co-opt the Tea Party, but what legitimate libertarian wants to serve under the INS bureaucracy?

Chuck said...

" This is a form of protectionism, inconsistent with free market principles"

Holy shit, you people are a bunch of fucking retards. No one who doesn't hate this country wants to import 30-60 million destitute Mexicans.

KN@PPSTER said...

No one who doesn't hate this country thinks it's any of his fucking business who goes where.

Eric Dondero said...

Umm, for the record, I much prefer privatized military. At the very lease, we should have a check-off box on tax return forms to allow people to opt out of funding the fight against America's enemies.

I don't think for example, that fascists in the US in the 1930s and 40s should have been required to fund the fight against Hitler.

Similarly, Muslims living in the US should not be forced to fight against the Islamo-Nazis of today. So, they should have the right to support Naziism if they want by not paying for the US military through their income taxes.

Eric Dondero said...

Hey Tom, if Mexicans have the right to vote in US elections, shouldn't I be granted the right to vote in Mexican elections? I mean, you advocate abolishing the border.

I live a mere 6 hour drive from Matamoros, Mexico. Straight down Hwy. 59 from Houston. Shouldn't I have the right to decide who the mayor of Matamoros is? The local congressional deputy who represents Matamoros in Mexico City? The local dog catcher?

Be consistent Tom. You advocate allowing 30 million Mexicans to vote in US elections. A healthy chunk of them here in south Texas.

Why shouldn't I have the same right as they do?

Oh, I guess I'm white, right? So, I'm inferior and I don't get the same rights as Hispanics? Oh, I'm a Jew too. Double-whammy against me, in Tom Knapp's America, or "North America without borders" that is.

Eric Dondero said...

Ronald, I don't think there's a single individual in the US today who is "anti-immigrant."


What we don't want is to invite people into the United States who hate the United States.

Like the fuckin' Somalis. My gosh, these people suck. They flaunt their hatred for the US here in the US. And I fault George Bush for inviting them in.

Ditto all these "students" from Saudi Arabia. Who overstay their Visas and then blow up buildings in crowded American cities.

And absolutely NO Chechens. Never, ever, ever again.

Eric Dondero said...

And then you have the case of the Obama administration not allowing that home schooling family from Germany to immigrate to the US.

Fuckin' world turned upside down.

America for Americans, and for immigrants to the United States who love America and American values.

KN@PPSTER said...

"You advocate allowing 30 million Mexicans to vote in US elections."


Ronald A. Guillemette said...

Eric, "nobody here is anti-immigrant, but..." sounds an awful lot like "some of my best friends are black". It was idiotic Congress in the 1920's whom decided to reduce immigration to unrealistic, corrupt quotas. Immigration had helped power us to a world economic power. No credible economist opposes liberalized immigration--high or low-skill level We have an aging society, with an anemic birthrate. The population base is a driver of economic growth; we want to treat people like criminals because they have to work around economic-retarded quota systems?