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Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Liberal-leaning elections watcher Larry Sabato: Something's not right when one Philly precinct votes 19,605 to 0

And in Cleveland, OH, Romney got even less votes than 3rd party candidates on the ballot?

From International Business Daily (IBD),"Voter Identification Laws Are Trouble For Democrats":

Democrats say America doesn't need voter identification laws because there's no evidence of election cheating. But when a candidate doesn't get a single vote in 59 precincts, you've got to wonder.

One candidate did just that last week in Philadelphia, where Mitt Romney was shut out 19,605-0 in 59 voting divisions.

The Obama Justice Department might not be concerned about that, but one man who studies voting patterns is dubious. University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato told the Philadelphia Inquirer that it deserves scrutiny.

"Not a single vote for Romney or even an error?" he asked. "That's worth looking into." Philadelphia is also where 75 legal and credentialed Republican election workers were blocked or removed from the polls on Election Day. And Pennsylvania is the Democratic state where a duly legislated voter ID law was blocked by a judge for the 2012 election.

Romney was similarly blanked in nine precincts in nationally pivotal and heavily Democratic Cuyahoga County, Ohio, centered on Cleveland, where he did even worse than third-party candidates.
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21 comments:

jgeleff said...

Of 19,605 votes cast, doesn't it seem PROBABLE that ONE old person with bad vision would accidentally press the button for Romney? That one old guy with an alcoholic shake would press a wrong button because his hand is moving so violently? Not one? And if this is fraud, are you telling me that the fraudsters are so stupid that a unanimous vote is concocted? Do you understand now why I didn't object too much to somebody monitoring our election when everybody was screaming about the UN? For Christ's sake, this is Saddam-esque.

Eric Dondero said...

Jerry, I was Ron Paul's coordinator in 1996 for his first congressional campaign. We won in the general 61 to 47%. (there was a New Party candidate on the ballot from Austin who got a couple percentage points.)

At the time in the 14th CD Waller County just West of Houston was in the District. The County was notorious for massive voter fraud. We looked at all the voter totals weeks after the election.

There were two precincts, all black from the all-black college Praire View A&M, where the vote totals were as follows:

Lefty Morris (D) 667 votes
Ron Paul (R) 16 votes

Lefty Morris (D) 745 votes
Ron Paul (R) 4 votes

Ballot box stuffing? Keep in mind we had campaigned at Prairie View at least 3 times. The Mayor of the town of Prairie View, a Black Republican was an enthusiastic supporter or Ron.

And only 20 people in the whole town were recorded to have voted Ron Paul???

Eric Dondero said...

Oops, I meant to say we won 51% to 47% over Lefty Morris, not 61%.

KN@PPSTER said...

Not sure why you think these particular results have anything to do with "voter ID" laws.

A 19,605-0 result pretty clearly comes from the votes being modified within the counting process as or after they are cast. Even individual DNA tests of every last voter in line outside the polling place wouldn't prevent that.

Eric Dondero said...

Tom, I'm confused by your point.

Okay, here's the question. Do you think it is humanly possible to get a vote in a precinct anywhere in the United States for any two candidates that's 19,065 to 0?

As Jerry says, how many shaky old men do you know out there, who would cast a vote for the wrong candidate just by accident?

How many mischevious younger voters out there, who would get in the voting booth and say, "you know, screw my momma. She wants me to vote for Obama. She didn't give me that $20 dollar bill she promised me, so I'm just gonna vote for this Romney clown. That'll teach her."

Then you've got to consider, Romney actually increased his vote total among blacks by 2% over McCain, to 7% nationwide. Wouldn't it follow that there'd be 7% Romney voters in that black precinct? Cut it in half even, if you want. You still wouldn't get a result of '0'.

Karen Ulvang said...

Romney was not a populist guy. Especially in PA urban centers

Karen Ulvang said...

Romney was not a populist guy. Especially in PA urban centers

KN@PPSTER said...

Eric,

My point is this: 19k to 0 does indeed indicated vote fraud.

What it doesn't indicate is "voter ID" fraud (the prima facie evidence for voter ID fraud would be things like unusually high turnout).

If it was "voter ID" fraud, there would still be the legitimate votes from real voters, and it wouldn't be 19k to 0.

What happened here is that the votes that were cast for Romney got changed or thrown out somehow. That has absolutely nothing to do with "voter ID."

Eric Dondero said...

Tom, I didn't bring up the voter i.d. fraud aspect of this. To me that is far less important. What's important is what you say; something happened to those votes.

I've run into some hardcore black conservatives in my life. These guys are 100% Republican voters, a tiny minority. Less than 3%. But they do exist. And ain't no way in hell, they'd vote for a Democrat.

There's also, believe it or not, some super oldtimers blacks, who remember the days when Democrats were the KKK. I've run into these poeple in southern Illinois, mostly. No way, they'd ever vote for a Democrat. Yes, tiny minority. But they do exist.

19,000 votes for Obama and 0 for Romney, it's impossible.

Chuck said...

Well, there are lunatics right now claiming that Romney stole the nomination from His Holiness Pope Ron Paul.

This election shouldn't have been close enough for that stuff to matter.

Up yours, America.

Gary said...

Republicans deserve to get fucked.

Where is the news conference by the GOP Governors of Ohio Pennsylvania about voter fraud?????

There is silence.

Eric Dondero said...

Gary, you're so right. Where the fuck is Kasich and Corbett on this?

They better be careful. If they don't speak up here soon, they're going to lose a lot of supporters who busted their asses to get them elected.

JOHN KASICH WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU ON CUYAHOGA COUNTY VOTER FRAUD??

jgeleff said...

I'll tell you where Corbett and Kasich are; playing political ball. Corbett should be screaming from the rooftops about 19,605-0. I would be, wouldn't you?

jgeleff said...

"Well, there are lunatics right now claiming that Romney stole the nomination from His Holiness Pope Ron Paul."

Good hyperbole, Chuck, but not true. They're complaining about changing the rules in the middle of the convention, and about the strong arm tactics employed against RP delegates, some of whom were LITERALLY beaten. Nobody disputes that the dumbasses in the GOP put Romney in the nominee's chair.

Chuck said...

"Good hyperbole, Chuck, but not true."

You should know what you're talking about before you write. Paultard sites have plenty of commenters saying Pope Ron Paul lost the republican nomination because his votes somehow weren't counted.

KN@PPSTER said...

Not all Paulistas, but a good number of them, have gone through this cycle twice:

1) "He can win the nomination!"

2) "He WILL win the nomination!"

3) "Sure, he's not winning the primaries, but there's a secret plan involving delegate selection and caucuses. It's in the bag!"

4) "Okay, so the double super secret caucus and delegate selection plan fell through, but there's a triple-super secret plan for the convention floor. There's no WAY they can stop THIS!"

5) "We wuz robbed -- and we knew the whole time it was going to happen!"

jgeleff said...

"Paultard sites have plenty of commenters saying Pope Ron Paul lost the republican nomination because his votes somehow weren't counted."

If you saw it, I'll take your word for it. I haven't come across it.
My bad.

mitsukurina said...

"I'll tell you where Corbett and Kasich are; playing political ball. "

Kasich seems a hell of a lot more concerned with women having abortions than with any fraud.

randian said...

Similarly outrageous things happened in Allen West's district in Florida.

Chuck said...

"Kasich seems a hell of a lot more concerned with women having abortions than with any fraud."

Yeah. Let's kill as many children as possible.

mitsukurina said...

"Yeah. Let's kill as many children as possible."

Some libertarian you are. I guess you want freedom for you; not others. Why say life begins at conception; maybe every time you jerk off (20 maybe 25 times a day?) you are massacring hundreds of thousands of tiny souls.