by Eric Dondero Various media reports overseas suggest she was raped. That she was forced to have sex with two high-ranking Afghanis, and that it proved to be an embarrassment. So, they put a few bullets in her head. WARNING: EXTREMELY GRAPHIC! Just pull-out. None of our business say the Ron Paulists, and other left-libertarians. There was a time when human rights was part of the libertarian agenda. When libertarians cared about spreading the philosophy of liberty worldwide, and stood up against slavery, genocide, and repression of women's rights. Some of us in the pro-defense wing of the libertarian movement still support that original part of the libertarian agenda.
Sunday, July 8, 2012
The most shockingly disturbing video you will see this Week: Women executed in Afghanistan for "adultery"
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LR is on fire today! Great posts, all of them Eric.
"There was a time when..." Was?
Is. Shall remain so.
Elements of the global statist-progressive movement appreciate nothing more than isolationism and unilateral disarmament all decked-out in Libertarian drag.
A quibble, but a substantive one:
"Some of us in the pro-defense wing of the libertarian movement still support that original part of the libertarian agenda. Better:
"We of the libertarian movement still support that original part of the libertarian agenda over the objections of pacifist-isolationist pseudo-libertarians."
Don't be so quick to yield that ground, Eric. The pacifists, isolationists, unilateral disarmament and withdrawal types fail to acknowledge two critical facts: First, that libertarianism is a set of ideals centered about individual freedom and responsibility in the face of centralized authoritarianism and collectivism. Thus, it is universal; it applies across all borders. (Isolationism in particular can not be argued from "libertarian" first principles.)
The second difficult fact is that liberty is metastable. It is a beautiful but fragile thing. Tyranny anywhere is ultimately corrosive of freedom here, for the nature of tyranny is cancerous. One can not bury one's head in the sand and expect the Chinese, the UN, the muzzies or any other power-hungry tyranny to keep to it's own. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 disabused us of our naivete. Those of us not high on bath salts, that is.
Eric, please be more careful with your terminology. The distinction between left- and right-libertarians is based on their philosophies of property rights, and has nothing to do with national defense.
Left-libertarians do not believe in strong property rights, which are the foundation of free markets. This is a much bigger difference in philosophy than the differing opinions among right-libertarians on the subjects of national defense and abortion.
"Ron Paulists" are clearly not left-libertarians, despite what you think of their foreign policy views. Left-libertarian means libertarian socialism - again, a philosophy much further from your own than Ron Paul libertarianism.
If you're going to claim to speak for libertarians in any form, you should at least know what libertarianism is.
Early 1970s. Libertarian movement back then was headed up by John Hospers, Dana Rohrabacher, Darlene Brinks, Bob Poole and Jack Wheeler. All hardline pro-military, pro-defensers.
Of course, that all has been whitewashed from libertarian history books.
Bull-fucking-shit Matt Spong!!!!
BULL-FUCKING-SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Left-Libertarian = Democrat on foreign policy. Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, Obama, Pelosi. Just a coincidence that Lew Rockwell was dating Sheehan for two years?
Right-libertarian = Winston Churchill on foreign policy. Support liberty worldwide. Oppose Naziism, including its current incarnation - Islamism.
Hey you fuckhead. I'VE GOT 25 YEARS OF HARDCORE LIBERTARIAN ACTIVISM UNDER MY BELT ASSHOLE. I'M THE WORLD'S GREATEST LIBERTARIAN PETITIONER!!! I SERVED ON THE LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE WAY BACK IN THE 1980S.
Don't you dare fucking come here and tell me what is and what is not libertarian?
I've never heard of your pussy ass before. I don't know you. So, you are NOT a Libertarian.
Heh. Take it easy. Is all that vitriol and profanity really necessary?
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarianism):
"The term [right-libertarianism] is typically used to differentiate privatist based forms of libertarianism from left-libertarianism; which generally supports forms of economic democracy and egalitarianism."
This is the distinction between left- and right-libertarians. It's all about economics. Foreign policy is a legitimate point of disagreement among right-libertarians, not a sign of a different, incompatible philosophy.
I've been at this a long time myself too. I was founding and running major libertarian websites while you were still getting your news from the evening paper.
"I've never heard of your pussy ass before. I don't know you. So, you are NOT a Libertarian."
Oh. So Eric Dondero's blessing is what makes a libertarian? Get over yourself.
Matt's post is useful, Eric.
Property rights - and the responsibilities that attend - are the core of individual Liberty.
By definition slaves have no property rights. That is why the product of their labor, their time and their very lives are taken from them. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is the most eloquent summation of slavery in the English language.
What Matt has described bears closer resemblance to marxist anarchism - the very antithesis of Liberty. I don't care whether Spong digs the irony, that's his business. It fits in well, however, with the emergent pattern: The Left's corruption of everything it touches. "Left" and "Libertarian" do not make a complexity, they make a contradiction.
I ain't getting over myself. Fuck You! I'm the greatest libertarian political activist on the planet. And if you don't recognize that then you can fuck off and die.
Wikipedia is run by a bunch of America-hating leftist fucks. I don't trust them for jackshit.
Oh, and my cussing? I'M A GODDAMNED HONORABLY DISCHARGED VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES NAVY. I EARNED THE RIGHT TO TALK ANY GODDAMNED WAY I PLEASE.
And I would thank you to thank me for my service asshole.
"What Matt has described bears closer resemblance to marxist anarchism - the very antithesis of Liberty. I don't care whether Spong digs the irony, that's his business."
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I agree with everything you said about property rights being the core of individual liberty, and that so-called "left-libertarianism" has very little to do with actual liberty. That was part of my point in the first place.
What's the irony you speak of?
"Fuck you! I'm the greatest libertarian political activist on the planet."
No, you're not. If you were, you'd be able to engage in conversation and criticism without flying off the handle. I could personally care less about your cussing - but you're making libertarians look like jackasses.
The misunderstanding is mine, I think, Matt. Cheers.
BTW, Eric's point about Wiki... We have a hard-core Leftie public school system here. Even they won't let kids use Wiki precisely because it, well, suhhhhcks. Just sayin'.
Yeah, the Wikipedia community in general is clearly left-leaning - but that doesn't make it any less trustworthy than Fox News or the New York Times. You just have to understand the prism through which you're getting your information.
I'm of the opinion that the public education system fears Wikipedia, and the internet in general, because it frees up information. Control over knowledge is a source of great power, and one that they are currently losing.
For general research, day-to-day life, and (such as in this case) looking up generally-accepted terms and definitions, Wikipedia is a tremendously useful resource.
I've spent long hours browsing topics on which I am intimately and professionally familiar, and can count on one hand the number of outright inaccuracies I've come across. Based on that, I'm inclined to trust* it on topics I'm less familiar with.
(* trust, but verify)
Wow, this video is just shocking. Yes Eric, where the hell is our media about this.....awol....
Matt,
The point you're missing isn't that Eric doesn't understand the difference between "left-" and "right-" libertarians; it's that he's long since stopped being EITHER kind, if indeed he ever was.
His position -- that Americans be continually/perpetually enslaved to pay for his agenda of "liberating" this or that population elsewhere -- is not just anti-libertarian, it's a shell game. If he woke up tomorrow and found that every population on earth had been "liberated," he'd just come up with some other justification for his desire to enslave.
Cut the cr@pp, Kn@pp.
Liberty without duty or consequence is fine for the high-school debating team. It doesn't cut it around here.
Where's the liberty in your "duty or consequence" scheme, Ran?
You can't have liberty AND a terror state. It's one or the other.
Eric has made it clear that there are no circumstances under which he will give up his beloved terror state. Therefore any talk from him of liberty is bullshit window-dressing.
I ain't getting over myself. Fuck You! I'm the greatest libertarian political activist on the planet. And if you don't recognize that then you can fuck off and die.
Defcon-LULZ!!!11!!
And I mean that in a very good way.
Eric - as we used to say back in the day - Get Some.
I like this old time libertarian on the matter:
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom—go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!” – Samuel Adams which is also the official beer of the Revolution.
In Stir and the rest of the lefties don't want a fight. I've seen the rest of them in action here in lil ole Rockford. A senior member of the Party was busted for selling a couple of pounds to the man. You have never seen a bunch of cowards run away so fast from their principles in your whole life. They wouldn't even show up at his wedding before he was put in stir for fear of being associated with him. He has forgiven them. I will not.
A local lefty gave me a platform in his paper for two years so we both could make sure nothing bad happened to our friend while he was in their clutches.
Cowards all of them. My friend has forgiven them. I will not.
BTW I was there when the deal went down and was more in jeopardy than any of them and you couldn't make me shut up without putting a bullet in me.
I hate cowards and cowardice. Especially cowardice decked out in the frilly dress of "principle".
Eric,
Thank you for your service.
I have taken the measure of the Libertarian Party and in my opinion all that are left in that Party post 9/11 are cowards of the first rank. They want to talk bad ass but when it comes time to act bad ass they conveniently find some important chores that take priority.
Pansy asses. Hell I know pansies with more brass.
"Terror state." Shame. Shame on you.
Sorry, Tom, we'll just have to agree that we're not on the same frequency. There is nothing that can be productively discussed here.
"I hate cowards and cowardice. Especially cowardice decked out in the frilly dress of "principle"."
Ouch. M. Simon, sir, THAT is worthy of the ages.
Funny Knapp is always right out there blaming the so-called U.S. "terror state," yet has nothing to say about the Sharia terrorist state.
He's fine with terrorism so long as it's Islamic terrorism.
Eric,
Haven't we had the talk about how it's not nice to lie before?
Remember, I'm the one who fought Saddam, and you're the one who fought FOR Saddam.
I'm the one who supports a foreign policy that fights Islamism. You're the one who just supports Islamism.
What this should teach you Eric is that even though we've been there over 10 years, it's still a stone age shit hole, even if we've lost thousands of men there. They don't give a crap about our sacrifice and whatever we are trying to do isn't working. What modern policy makers seem to forget is that prior to nation building in Japan and Germany, we destroyed them first. This is throwing your seeds amongst thorns, at best.
Yeah, I "fought FOR Saddam" alright. I guess that's why he killed 37 of my shipmates on the Stark.
Two things about left-libertarians. Two moments of history that don't quite fit their template. Two things they'd rather just be forgotten down the memory hole.
Saddam Hussein and Iraq fire a missile on the USS Stark in 1987 killing 37 US Sailors, and injuring scores of others.
John Doe II. The Middle Eastern man, later identified as Husain Al-Husaini, an Iraqi, who was with Timothy McVeigh when he blew up the Oklahoma City building. Course, the Clinton administration pinned on two white guys, and eliminated any evidence of a Middle Eastern connection to the bombing.
"Saddam Hussein and Iraq fire a missile on the USS Stark in 1987 killing 37 US Sailors, and injuring scores of others."
Neither Saddam nor Iraq fired that missile -- a single pilot did. That pilot claimed that he thought he was firing on an Iranian vessel. The Stark, her sister ships, and YOU, were allies of Saddam's, fighting Iran with him.
"John Doe II. The Middle Eastern man, later identified as Husain Al-Husaini, an Iraqi, in my imagination."
There, fixed that for ya.
Is it POSSIBLE that Husaini was involved in the OKC bombing? Sure. A competent investigative journalist should look into it some time. Unfortunately, Jayna Davis wasn't a competent investigative journalist and didn't "identify" squat.
OK, lets stop pussy footing around this subject, and blaming left this and right that.
The video is horrible. No person should be killed for adultery. Any sane person will admit that. But what do the "right" libertarians propose to do about this problem? I'm talking about solving this problem, not pissing around the edge of the fire to put it out. Are you advocating the extermination of all believers of Islam? They're all vile, disgusting human beings, is that what you're saying? They deserve death and nothing more? Come out with it and stop tap dancing, and blaming left this or right that. What resolution do you want, and how do you aim to get it? Be plain in your response, drop all the left/right horse shit and come out with it.
"Two things about left-libertarians. Two moments of history that don't quite fit their template. Two things they'd rather just be forgotten down the memory hole."
*sigh*. Is using correct terminology really that problematic for you? If one believes in free markets and private property, they are not "left-libertarians," regardless of their views on national defense.
I'm going to keep at you on this one, because definitions are important.
(FWIW - I agree with you on the nature of Islam, and disagree with hardcore isolationism. Still, use the proper terminology.)
You want to liberate whores, and madmen?
Eric,
I thank you for your service. Honest.
My dad was Navy through and through. I'm a libertarian who actually ran for office and then went on to run three more campaigns.
Does that past make me more or less libertarian than some posters? Who the hell cares? It's what happens NOW and in the future that matters. Eric runs a site NOW and will for the future. What sites do you poster's run? Blogs? What do you all do to further libertarianism? I'd really like to know.
Many good points being made here. BUT - this is NOT a libertarian debating society. We'd actually like to have an influence on the world.
I speak for myself here:
Dan, I run a low-traffic website. More as therapeutic way to constructively vent.
More importantly, I have raised a small brood of libertarian leaning kids. I work in our shul to promote the Constitution, the Declaration, the Federalist papers. I write letters to the editor (and now and then get published.) I have people over for Tea. I promote Ayn Rand's books and ideas. I volunteer for the most libertarian and conservative candidates in our neighborhood. I promote the Second Amendment.
It ain't much, but it's a start.
Ran,
Thanks for the reply.
I'd say that the beauty of American liberty is that we can do as much or as little as we wish.
That being said, this fact that most humans focus on themselves and their immediate families (of necessity, much of the time) allows scumbags to get into power when the rest of us aren't looking.
Hey - what a great way to get people to "ignore that man behind the curtain" - fuck up the economy so that folks are introverted into merely putting food on the table and preserving their homes!
Ran,
Four libertarian kids for me.
One about my daughter:
A Rally Report
They hate me at my shul. Reform. Even when the Reforms came out against pot prohibition they didn't make me feel welcome.
The First Mate is still involved. She is libertarian but not hard corps the way I am.
Four!! Hazach u'Baruch.
3rd yr Chem Eng! I've got one daughter starting Engineering too.
Heh. We're a 'mixed' shul... a few of us pack. And the new Rabbi is into Thomas Paine. Could be worse!
Cheers.
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