Hillary Clinton pledged not "to abandon" Afghan women Report from WomensViewsonNews.org "Afghan women fear for the future after US troops pulled out":
As President Barack Obama announces the withdrawal of US troops tonight, Afghan women are demanding a place at the table to make sure that their rights are not negotiated away in peace talks.Further:
The announcement comes after departing US Defence Secretary Robert Gates confirmed that peace talks are taking place with members of the Taliban in Afghanistan.Despite Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s pledge to Afghan women last May that “we will not abandon you, we will stand with you always,” there are concerns that Afghan women could pay the price for peace with loss of the freedoms they have gained.
Maryam Hashimi, a 49-year-old office worker who had witnessed women being beaten for “crimes” that included allowing a glimpse of their ankle under their covering told King that she feared things would return to the way they were before the Taliban were ousted in 2001.Photo credit - AllVoices.com
“They don’t change — if the Taliban had power, things would be just as they were before, when we could not work, or leave our houses, or even imagine a place like this, where we can walk freely.”
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Eric's running away from libertarianism continues.
Now, we are supposed to oppose withdrawing from the war in Afghanistan, already lost, because Hilary Clinton says it would be bad for Afghan women.
1. Hilary Clinton doesn't, can't, speak for libertarianism: she rejects it almost as much as Eric Dondero does.
2. Hilary is wrong about Afghanistan: she claimed Karzai was elected in a clean election---a total lie. Karzai, like Achmedinjad in Iran stole their respective elections.
3. Hilary is wrong about Afghanistan II: she claims that when we leave or are forced out, then the Taliban wins, then alkayda will move back in in a "New York Minute." The US Army concedes there is hardly any measurable presence of alkayda in Afghanistan, now. Where the Taliban controls [and increasing area] they have kept out alkayda.
So we have Eric using Hilary Clinton to make his point.
yours truly
Alan Turin
"Hillary Clinton pledged not "to abandon" Afghan women."
This tired old 60's commie loving left-wing hag must have figured out a way to register Afghanis so they can vote for Demorats in 2012.
The lives of women are Hell in:
--- Afghanistan
--- The Congo
--- The Sudan
--- Saudi Arabia
--- Detroit
The United States is bankrupt and we cannot be policeman of the world.
Personally, I think we should pull our troops out of Detroit to save money.
Be careful fellows:
You'll be denounced by Chuck & Eric for advocating libertarian foreign policy.
yours truly
Alan Turin
A libertarian foreign policy is one that is based on freedom.
You advocate a leftist foreign policy because you're too stupid and self absorbed to understand the benefits of our involvement in the world. Scum like you yearn for a new dark ages.
Always a scumbag.
"Personally, I think we should pull our troops out of Detroit to save money."
Gary, have you ever been to Detroit? I was born there, and frankly that war zone could use more troops.
Dan, because of limited funds we must pick and choose our battles.
Give Detroit to Canada.
Are you sure that Canada would take it?
Chuck, have you read anything on libertarian analysis of foreign policy?
It's not reflected in your writing.
A libertarian foreign policy is based on freedom. Since states get deference in war time, a libertarian avoids war.
To justify war a libertarian needs to make certain there is no initiating of force/threat of coercion on the part of one's own state.
This works out to being in favor of wars to repel invasions or wars for independence.
What the liberventionists advocate in the middle east now, but everywhere on "principle" is war to achieve their vision for freedom elsewhere.
This evades the cost of the war on the citizens of the intervening country: to wit, the USG.
What do American taxpayers owe the women of Afghanistan? or the benighted folk of Haiti? or Iraq?
Nothing, except to not harm them, and to let them work out their own destinies.
When the Taliban covered for alkayda & alkayda attacked the US, a punitive response was justified.
That NEVER meant we'd make over Afghanistan, just defang a faction therein.
I have not EVER advocated a leftist foreign policy, but one of putting America first thru peace and prosperity with America being a great neutral free country.
You & Eric whine, there is no other word, about Iran gaining influence.
We libertarians warned you that if you ousted the deadly enemy of Iran & did what Osama bin Laden called for: the USG's ouster of Saddam, that there would be hell to pay.
We warned, the liberventionist insulted the libertarians. We were right, you were wrong.
You all whine about the persecution of Christians in Egypt. Where were you when we pointed this out in Iraq? I know, you were washing your hair.
In 1973 Kissinger gave permission to the Shah to oust the Afghan king.
That a)put Afghanistan into play for the west which b) the Soviets took advantage of in 1979.
Had Kissinger not interfered then, and Afghanistan was left on the shelf [i.e. not meddled in by the USG] how much better it would have been.
Or ousting the democratic Iran regime in 1953.
The point is the meddling blows back against American interests. This allows the war party to constantly be advocating "one more...whatever."
Interventionism has failed & the USG is broke & cannot play empire no more.
yours truly
Alan Turin
"Chuck, have you read anything on libertarian analysis of foreign policy?"
I've read more than you, squirt, and I've understood far more than you ever did. You are a weak person. It is quite natural for you to defer to what others have written in a vain attempt to defend what you feel but lack the balls to express in plain English.
Since I am a libertarian, everything I think is libertarian analysis. Your weakness is your pride, son.
Integrity is not just a river in Egypt, Alan Turin.
PROVE me wrong and I'll be in your debt. Embarrass me in front of your followers. Prove me wrong.
Grow a pair of balls, boy. Win. (or lose) I have nothing to lose. I have no agenda other than truth. If I'm corrected, I'm better for it.
Ready?
Go!
"I have not EVER advocated a leftist foreign policy, but one of putting America first thru peace and prosperity with America being a great neutral free country."
Like Luxembourg.
Delusional assholes abound.
Great Neutral? Is that like powerfully indecisive? Tremendously impotent?
I passionately don't give half a shit what you think.
I do like a partner, though.
Thank you for being my muse.
Wanna trip up a left-libertarian?
Ask 'em just how it is their foreign policy views differ at all from those of total leftists.
They are identical.
(Well, maybe left-libertarians are pro-free trade? That's about it.)
Pro free trade like opposing right to work laws?
"Integrity is not just a river in Egypt,..." Chuck the quote is "DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt." It's also a funny music video. Check it out. Laugh it up. You need it.
"PROVE me wrong and I'll be in your debt. Embarrass me in front of your followers. Prove me wrong."
Sure, here goes.
But know this: I'm trying to prove your grasp of libertarianism is faulty, I'm not doing this to embarrass you.
1. Libertarianism is a political philosophy that puts liberty--- freedom---as the highest political virtue.
2. Liberty, a voluntary society, wins when states are limited in the scope of their activities.
3. States get "free passes" when in war. So avoiding war ["states behaving badly"] is key.
3(a). E.g. You & Eric claim to be libertarians.
Yet you deny Muslims the right to own property or exercise gun rights. You support the worst intrusion into Americans privacy of late [TSA & "Patriot" act].
Why? I suspect you believe, that we [the West] are at war from Jihadist Muslims ["Islamo-Fascism"].
Given that, you advocate, restrictions on Muslims, military intervention, etc.
This was why the quote, "War is the Health of the State" resonates with libertarians.
4. The USG has expanded to fight wars: the War for Southern Independence, the War to End All Wars, the War After the War to End All Wars, the Cold War, the Global War on Terror, etc.
Historically the state PERMANENTLY stays bloated afterwards.
5. Given libertarianism rejects initiating of force, threatening its use [coercion] or fraud to achieve political goals, means that to defend ourselves, we retaliate against an enemy. For libertarians: using force to defend ourselves is justified.
6. The problems are: Iraq was not the threat the war party claimed; the Taliban, had nothing to do w/9-11 & we are fighting them in Afghanistan & Pakistan; Pakistan is an not quite an ally; meddling in the Middle East failed for the European powers & has failed for us as well.
7. The USG is broke.
Now then, how is it that staying in Afghanistan is going to protect the US against alkayda?
yours truly
Alan Turin
"the quote is "DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt."
It wasn't a quote, you desperate dumbass, it was a quip. One obviously over your head.
"Libertarianism is a political philosophy that puts liberty--- freedom---as the highest political virtue."
Proving nothing. Your statement is stupid as shit.
"Liberty, a voluntary society, wins when states are limited in the scope of their activities."
Proving absolutely nothing again. You really suck at this, whoever you are. That dumb fuck platitude is what's called a straw man. It's essence is the lie that it implies (i,e,. The state is unlimited and therefore dickless twits like Ajerkoff1976 seek to limit it.)
"States get "free passes" when in war. So avoiding war ["states behaving badly"] is key."
You don't decide what is "key", son. People who actually know what the fuck they're talking about do. (Thank God) This is yet another straw man based on the implied lie that the United States military is involved in world affairs because it likes war and your pathetic invention of "free passes". You are proving that you are a liar.
"Yet you deny Muslims the right to own property or exercise gun rights. You support the worst intrusion into Americans privacy of late [TSA & "Patriot" act]."
Another outright lie. Par for the course.
"The USG has expanded to fight wars: the War for Southern Independence, the War to End All Wars, the War After the War to End All Wars, the Cold War, the Global War on Terror, etc."
And if any of you had any doubt that the shit stick that calls itself alan turin was a low-life sack of filth, he just put that to rest. Look at the above list and pick which one we should not have been in. Ajerkoff1976 thinks the US should have laid down in every one of those.
"Given libertarianism rejects initiating of force, threatening its use [coercion] or fraud to achieve political goals, means that to defend ourselves, we retaliate against an enemy."
And if you had any doubt as to just how fucking stupid and downright evil ajerkoff1976 is, he just put that to rest as well. In his sick, pea brain, it's "libertarian" to sit back and watch Americans be murdered and then punish their murderers after the fact. There's a whole lotta provin' going on here. hehe
"the Taliban, had nothing to do w/9-11"
That doesn't even require comment.
"The USG is broke."
If you gave a shit about that, you'd be complaining about the money that is actually making it broke. You're a liar.
"yours truly
Alan Turin"
Nope. You are no one's "truly". You are a duplicitous little shit who couldn't tell the truth if your worthless fucking life depended on it. It's not okay to be a filthy fucking liar, son. If you have to lie about what you claim to believe, just how good could those beliefs be?
You aren't a libertarian. You're simply a garden variety, hate-filled leftist.
Dime a dozen.
The only thing that wins is that which has the power, be it the people, dictator and/or party. An ideology, no matter how good cannot win anything without someone, or really some people believing in it and getting skin in the game. Libertarians are in no position to win a damn thing. Just an observable fact as opposed to wishful thinking.
Libertarians win all the time, they just do it outside of the nutbag, fruitcake, Anti-American Libertarian party.
Small l not big L. But then your grammar is correct in starting a sentence with a capital letter.
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