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Tuesday, December 14, 2010

Allowing Gays in the Military cover for Democrats' real Agenda? Bringing back the Draft

From Eric Dondero:

Democrats in Congress have been pushing for years to bring back the Military Draft and institute a similar mandatory Civilian Corps of mostly young adults to service the Federal Government.

Congressman Charlie Rangle of New York, first in 2003 and then again in 2006, introduced legislation that would require adults to serve in some security or non-security related capacity such as government-run health care, forest service or even the TSA.

Ironically, in 2006, Rangel indicated that his primary purpose for introducing legislation to bring back the Draft was to reduce support among the public for the War in Iraq.

Dems on the side of Special Interests; GOP defends the Troops

From the Washington Post, "Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft" Nov. 2006:
He offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

He said... "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.
Republicans such as John McCain on the Senate side, and Congressmen Ron Paul and Dana Rohrabacher have fiercely opposed such legislation. In fact, Paul (with co-sponsor Rohrabacher) has introduced a bill each year to abolish the Selective Service.

Now the possibility of a requirement of mandatory service may be coming back, ironically, as a result of a new Democrat proposal.

Columnist Peter Schweitzer at Breitbart's BigPeace.com makes the case:
The Democratic Party is held hostage by its liberal base and desperately needs to repeal DADT to placate them before the new Congress convenes in January. How else could the Democrats ignore the conclusion of a Pentagon report that indicates that almost 40% of combat Marines (and 25% of combat Army) may leave the armed forces if Congress overturns the don’t ask, don’t tell policy — and then only seven days later — have all of its Senate Democrats (with the one exception of Senator Manchin of West Virginia) vote in support of overturning that policy.

Only a Democratic party so indifferent to reality could ignore a Pentagon report that projects the hollowing out of our military manpower and breaking of our combat arms during a time of war.
Gays in the Military "would break the infantry units"

In a recent interview on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Hugh Shelton expressed his concern that overturning DADT would “break the infantry elements” of our armed forces...

these military personnel, mostly in combat arms, will simply vote with their feet and leave the service as they have indicated they will in the Pentagon survey. It’s a voluntary force: would the Democrats prefer to reimpose the draft?

Schweitzer further offers these figures:
Consider the impact these departures could have on the Marines. As of October 31, 2010, there are 202,779 Marines. If up to 40% of this number decided to leave the Marine Corps in the near term as a result of the Congress overturning DADT, it would mean a loss of 81,111 Marines, many of whom are experienced combat veterans.

The Marine Corps only recruited 28,000 new Marines last year, and thus would be required to almost triple its annual recruitment goal just to stay at its current strength.
Loss of Troop strength would offer no other alternative but a Draft

He concludes Democrats faced with such a circumstance, will no doubt resort to their old playbook of force and coercion. Continuing:
if the hollowing out of the military begins to manifest itself in earnest after an overturning of DADT, the Democratic Party, and the country, may be faced with only one effective answer to maintain effective numbers of military personnel: the resumption of the military draft.

Coercion is always the answer of a political class that can’t admit it’s wrong.
Both the Libertarian Party and the Republican Liberty Caucus staunchly oppose the Military Draft, and compulsory National Service.

From the LP platform 2000 (OntheIssues.org):
We call for the abolition of the Selective Service. We oppose any form of national service. We oppose adding women to the pool of those eligible for the draft because we believe that this step enlarges the number of people subjected to government tyranny.
From RLC.org (Statement of Principles):
We oppose any mandatory draft registration or conscription. The best military must be composed of those who voluntarily assume the restrictions and burdens of military service in defense of the nation and the principles of the Constitution.

46 Bloviations:

Chuck said...

That makes sense. The democrat party considers every human being in this country to be government property anyway. The democrat party has always been the party of slavery and continues to be to this day.

KN@PPSTER said...

The Marine Corps made it through its first 172 years without a ban on gays.

If Schweitzer really believes that repealing that failed, short-term experiment in conservative social engineering would instantly turn 81,000 Marine infantryman into screeching, irrational wusses then either Schweitzer's a fucking moron or the Marine Corps has gone way downhill since I left it.

Gary said...

Eric obsessing about Gays again and again and again.

But somehow "libertarian" Eric does not cover:

----The Right-Wing Socialist Party tax deal with some $350 billion in new unpaid for spending massively increasing the national debt.

----The Right-Wing Socialist Party agreeing to CONFISCATING 35% of the private property of dead Americans.

----Some 40% of Right-Wing Socialist Party Senators voting two weeks ago to massively increase the Big Brother power of the FDA.

All of the about is spitting in the face of the Tea Party and voters in general who wanted change.

Eric Dondero said...

Gary, I am a Military Veteran. I do care about issues affecting the United States Military.

Curious? Where and when did you serve?

If not, I can understand your ambivelance about protecting our Troops.

Eric Dondero said...

You gotta now say, if you are in favor of allowing Gays in the Military, you are essentially endorsing the Draft.

Chuck said...

You are endorsing a weakening of the military is what you're doing. No one (not even a, shrieking, America-hating, anarchist shitbag like knippler)claims that having butt-fuckers in combat is going to improve the Armed forces. They simply don't give a shit. These vermin are about destruction. They seek nothing good for the military or this country.

May they rot.

Gary said...

Gays have proudly served in the military for 10,000 years. Maybe we need to dig up all the gays buried at Arlington so no straights are offended.

Eric Dondero said...

Oh, come on Gary. That's such a tired old argument.

Again, I ask you are you a Veteran of the Armed Services? If not, you pretty much don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Having Gays and Lesbians in close quarters on a ship, barracks or a foxhole, will create utter havoc among the Troops.

Do we really need that sort of social experimentation among our Military Troops?

Save it for a college campus.

KN@PPSTER said...

"Having Gays and Lesbians in close quarters on a ship, barracks or a foxhole, will create utter havoc among the Troops."

The US military has had gays and lesbians in close quarters on ships, in barracks and in foxholes since 1775 -- and it was perfectly legal for them to be there from 1775-1947.

Please feel free to point out the incidents of utter havoc it's caused, either during the 172 years it was legal or during the 63 years it's been illegal.

Eric Dondero said...

Yes, you are right Knapp. The US Military has had Gays in close quarters on ships, in foxholes, barracks, ect... for years.

And it's been UTTERLY DISSASTROUS!

It creates a huge problem. They Gays get drunk. They come back to the ship, and start hitting on the straight guys. And many times forcefully. I've seen it with my own two eyes.

Not to mention the TOTALLY BLATANT DISCRIMINATION that's inherent with allowing Gay guys to bunk with Straight guys, but not allow Straigh guys to bunk with Women.

But of course, that's politically incorrect to even talk about.

Eric Dondero said...

If they allow Gays in the Military how soon do you think it's going to be before some straight guy sues for the right to bunk with his female military companions?

Gary said...

I am having myself such a laugh.

According to Eric our brave American soldiers who fought like demons at Bunker Hill, Gettysburg and the Battle of the Bulge will now run screaming like little girls from their foxholes if the GI next to them is gay.

Amazing.

I guess I have more faith in our troops than Eric.

Eric Dondero said...

Umm, do I need to be explicit?

A Gay sailor guy in our unit was sucking on some sleeping guy's cock in his bunk. Needless to say the guy was completely shocked when he woke up. And proceeded to kick the living shit of out him - deservedly so.

The Gay guy got reprimanded.

Imagine in the new politically correct Navy, who do you think will get the reprimand?

Eric Dondero said...

And what do you think would happen to a Straight guy who starting sucking on the privates of a sleeping female sailor in her bunk?

He'd be charged with assault, rape, everything in the book.

Double standard; once again Straight white and male gets it in the groin. Politically correct protected "minority" groups get a pass.

h. said...

I thought the military screened for mental illness before they let you in.

Eric Dondero said...

Deflect. That's the typical response of a Leftist when you present the fundamental problem of gays and straights bunking together in closed quarters, and the inherent discrimination involved - gays get to sleep with those of the same sex, straights don't get to sleep with those of the opposite sex.

Deflect and insult is their only response. Cause there's no way they can actually address the issue itself.

Anonymous said...

"Methinks that Eric doth protest too much."

Eric Dondero said...

Again, answer the question.

Is there inherent discrimination in allowing gays to bunk with those of the same sex, but not to allow straight men to bunk with those of the opposite sex?

Showers too.

will said...

wow. someone REALLY needs to take the "Libertarian" out of the blog title.

Gary said...

I second that motion.

Eric is simply a standard "Conservative".

Eric Dondero said...

Yeah, I'm a "Conservative" alright. A "Conservative" who wants to repeal Seat Belt laws, Legalize Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling, Abolish the IRS.

Oh, and Gays? I'm about as radically Anti-Islamo-Fascist as you can get. Don't see you so-called "Libertarians" talking about Gays being hung in town squares in Iran, by the Taliban in Afghanistan, ect...

You're for Gay rights? Great. Prove it. Oppose Islamo-Fascism.

Eric Dondero said...

Again, question still stands. Any single Left Libtard brave enough to answer it?

With Gays allowed in the Military, why are we permitting such rampant discrimination? Gay men get to sleep with straight men. But straight men don't get to sleep with women.

Any takers?

Eric Dondero said...

Any takers yet?

Answer the question please Left Libtards??? Why's it okay to discriminate against Straight Men?

Chuck said...

Why bother? When you have a hysterical, dickless little leftist claiming that we've had lesbians in combat since 1775, what does it matter what else the pathetic liar has to say? They're simply making shit up. That's what leftists do. Truth is of no concern to them.

They've already ceded the argument. You won.

Chuck said...

"Gays have proudly served in the military for 10,000 years."

Yep. Since 8000 BC. And "gary" is to be taken seriously?

These people are fucking circus clowns, Eric. Treat them as what they are. To treat them otherwise is to insult the rest of us.

Gary said...

Eric, you are in a Neanderthal mood of throwing gays out of a military that they have served in since 1776. So why don't we bring back the U.S. 10th Cavalry Regiment (Buffalo Soldiers) or the 442nd Regimental Combat Team (Japanese-Americans) . . . make sure they have white officers too.

Eric and Chuck are sooooo 20th Century. Guys it is time to open your eyes and enter the new millennium.

KN@PPSTER said...

"Is there inherent discrimination in allowing gays to bunk with those of the same sex, but not to allow straight men to bunk with those of the opposite sex?

"Showers too."

Yes.

The mission of the military is to break things and kill people. Anyone who's too freaked out by the possibility that this or that person might be staring at his or her ass to do that effectively should get the fuck out and stay the fuck out of the military.

And, of course, sexual activities of any kind while on duty are generally in violation of regulations and/or orders, as is fraternization among the ranks.

Both for good reason -- the non-rate who's dating a staff NCO would get over on plum duty assignments. The platoon commander who's hanging out with the corporal might end up making sure the corporal spends extra time in the field so that he can go over and bang the corporal's wife. Etc., etc.

Thing is, you're confusing sexual activity with sexual orientation.

The term for one person attempting to fellate an unwilling other is "sexual assault," regardless of whether the two parties are of the same or opposite genders.

The gay guy in the story that you made up out of your wet dream fantasies wouldn't have been "reprimanded," he'd have gone to Portsmouth for awhile before his Bad Conduct Discharge.

So now I've answered your question, answer mine. Why is it that the United States, and its military, managed to survive and excel for 172 years, from a revolution and through two world wars, without it being illegal for homosexuals to serve, but it would fall apart if it went back to that after 63 years of unsuccessful conservative social engineering BS?

Eric Dondero said...

His name was Jeff Levon. He was a PS (Personelman). He sucked BM3 Nachef's dick one night, after he got plastered out on liberty.

Jeff, who was a nice guy when he was sober, got 45 days restriction on the ship, and a small fine.

Nachef also got some restriction for kicking Jeff's ass.

But the whole incident upset the ship for days.

Like Knapp says, the mission of the Military is to break things and kill the enemy. So, why have needless distractions like Gay dudes, sucking on straight guy's dicks while they're asleep?

Don't straight guys have a right to be able to sleep in their bunks without having to worry that their bunk mate a few bunks down, is going to attack them late at night after they come back to the ship hammered?

Eric Dondero said...

Funny how Gary doesn't seem at all concerned about those who live in the 11th Century and want to torture and execute all Gays - as in RADICAL MUSLIMS.

Eric Dondero said...

Knapp, it's not just "fraternization." It's GAWKING.

If a gay guy has the right to gawk at a straight dude in the shower room, shouldn't a straight guy have the right to gawk at a nude female sailor/soldier?

Eric Dondero said...

Ladies & Gents, just took a gander at Tom Knapp's website "Knappster."

Ouch!! The boy's down to average 82 visitors a day. He only has 45 grand total for today.

Man, that sucks!!!

Guess Left Libtar-ism is losing its appeal.

The Right Guy said...

As long as everyone keeps their hands and membrum to themselves, it shouldn't matter and if they do, no matter the orientation and sex combination, it should be sanctioned. I really don't care what someone does in the boudoir as long as they keep up their responsibility at their job.

Chuck said...

These arguments always revert to the imaginary.

Naked gay platoon leader in a shower with subordinates.


Naked Private in a shower with commanding officer interested in his Private privates.

A man and a woman sharing a bunk on a submarine.

The fucking sun coming up tomorrow!!

Scumbag liars abound.

Chuck said...

But then, the obvious is so gauche.

KN@PPSTER said...

Eric,

I haven't posted at KN@PPSTER in nearly two weeks, and my posting pattern there has been spotty for years.

If you're trying to evaluate the impact of left-libertarianism on the basis of KN@PPSTER, you're retarded.

Last week I put left-libertarian op-eds in front of at least 2.3 million newspaper readers via C4SS op-ed reprints (most of them in Korea that week -- JoonAng Ilbo, circulation 2.2 million, ran one of our pieces).

The C4SS site itself receives about 1,200 unique visitors, and serves about 1,900 page views per day (those numbers are for November 14th-December 14th, per Google Analytics).

So far this month (per AWStats), Rational Review averages 1,302 visitors per day, 7,600 page views per day. That's RRND proper, not including our hosted author blogs. I expect those numbers to take a big upward leap when we roll out our new, improved site next week (the existing site is running on a six-year-old Wordpress installation that's non-upgradeable due to too much undocumented improvised coding, and threatening to collapse under the weight of nearly 100,000 databased posts).

You're not even in my league, pipsqueak.

Eric Dondero said...

That's precisely the point Right Guy. I'm sorry to say, Gay guys do not keep to themselves.

Here's the deal. Gay guys on board the ship, for the most part, are pretty decent.

Problem comes in when they drink. Dude, they just lose it. All of a sudden they become like Super Gays. They let it all hang out. Their feminine side just takes over. They come back to the ship drunk, and boom. An incident occurs. And 9 times out of 10, it's the Gay guy agressively hitting on the Straight dude.

But of course, this is all politically incorrect to talk about.

Eric Dondero said...

Bwahahahahaha! Knappster.

Rational Review is a stupid-ass reflector site. It's not a real blog. All that RR does is re-post articles from other sites.

So, you've done some good Google tweaking with the reflector site. Congratulations. But who cares. There's little if any original materail there.

It's pretty much like one of these Asian scam websites that runs links everywhere for bigger hit traffic.

Knappster is a REAL WEB BLOG. RR is not.

Todd said...

This is such a tired old issue. I'm with Berry Goldwater on this one. End the ban, it's ridiculous. If hundreds of our servicemen suddenly up and quit because of it,they can reinstate it But that's not going to happen, and anyone who believes that is deranged. I've served with gay men and never had a problem. Rules should be strictly enforced, of course, as they should be in the military anyway.

Eric Dondero said...

Todd problem is, with your "rules should be strictly enforced" idea, is that straight guys are gonna get hammered.

We live in a uber-politically correct society. And the military hasn't gotten real, real bad on the PC scale these past few years.

Who do you think is gonna be believed in a Gay guy hits on Straight dude incident? The Gay guy will get an ACLU lawyer. The Straight dude will have nobody to defend him. And WHAMMO! Even though it was the Gay guy who sexually assautled the Straight guy, it will be the Straight guy who goes to the brig. All because of Political Correctness.

Eric Dondero said...

meant to say "military has gotten real, real bad..."

Todd said...

I think you're totally wrong on that, Eric. A gay guy who forces himself upon a straight guy is not going to get out of punishment for that, and you're crazy if you think otherwise. As someone who's been hit on by many a gay guy, I can tell you, it's not even a problem. I've never had any of them try to force themself on me. At the most, it's something benign- like telling you they think you're hot. Frankly, I've been more concerned with women who I don't like forcing themself on me than with gay guys- nothing worse than a woman scorned if you know what I mean. Everytime it's happened, I just say "thanks, man," and that pretty much ends it. And if one were to try to force themself on me, well, I'm not concerned about being able to defend myself. Aside from all that, the incidents of conflict you are so afraid of are going to be so incredibly rare, it's silly to base an entire policy around them. The benefit of allowing upstanding, hard-working, patriotic gays to serve will far outweigh the few isolated incidents of the creeps. (And guess what- those creeps are serving now anyway! It's the good guys that are being left out because they are honest enough to live openly/)

KN@PPSTER said...

"Rational Review is a stupid-ass reflector site."

You keep using that word, "reflector." I do not think it means what you think it means.

"It's not a real blog. All that RR does is re-post articles from other sites."

Wrong again.

Some parts of Rational Review (Rational Review News Digest being the biggest one) summarize/blurb and link to articles from other sites (sometimes with our own editorial take added, sometimes not). Which, by the way, is pretty much what LR mostly does, albeit with longer and less intelligent editorializing.

Rational Review proper started off as a webzine, still does some of that, and will probably go back to doing more of that now that we're moving the news digest to its own site.

In addition, Rational Review hosts author-specific blogs. Tibor Machan posts his material there. So does J. Neil Schulman. So does the left-libertarian group "On Alliance." More are on the way.

Although RRND uses blogging software, it doesn't claim to be a blog, nor did I have any reason to believe that your critique was about whether or not it's a blog. RRND is a daily newsletter with a staff of five (one full-time, four part-time), serving about 1,300 daily readers on its web edition, a similar quantity at its ISIL rebrand (Freedom News Daily), about 3,000 subscribers to its email editions, 3,600 readers on Twitter, and several hundred on Facebook (that went down with our reformat from "group" to "page," but is starting to come back up).

The launch of the new site for RRND coincides with its 8th birthday -- but our legacy actually goes back to 1991 when Libernet was founded. Free-Market.Net bought Libernet and folded it into Freedom News Daily. When FMN/FND went bankrupt in 2002, I started RRND to replace it. ISIL bought FMN/FND's assets and began publishing FND again, but finally asked us to come take it over.

To put it a different way, we're the oldest libertarian publication on the Internet, we reach more readers than you do and we're better liked than you are. Oh, and our penises are longer than yours, too.

Lofo said...

It is just shocking that "libertarian" Dondero supports DADT, while one of the most recognized libertarian conservatives had this to say:

You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight

Chuck said...

If you think 18 year old enlisted boys and girls shouldn't be forced to shower together, you are a bigot and a sexist...and a phobe. Yeah.

You people are fucking pathetic.

So smart. Sooooo fucking blinded by your own vanity.

Anonymous said...

Chuck, do you have a coherent argument to make, or are you just a kook here to spew stupid platitudes? Where is anyone suggesting boys and girls should be for Ed to shower together?

Chuck said...

Not even a majority of Dems would support this...or if such a law was considered, it would have to come with the alternative of civil service with the same bennies. Rangel wanted that some time ago, it would cripple the appeal of the current service benefits if one could get the same by doing much easier/safer civil service a la AmeriCorps.

No, the repeal of DADT-moronic as it was came about simply to appease a loud and relatively ignorant sector of our nation.

Still I don't think we'll see the amount of troops/NCOs voting with their feet. Those NCOs tend to be troops who serve because of belief in our nation and have historically put up with a lot to do so. I do pity them trying to enforce this still unclear law though, there will be much ass beatings and likely some deaths, never mind efficiency and cohesion loss.

Hell 50 plus years after segregation ended in DOD, we still have problems. The sexual integration problem is also far larger than the media/DOD want to even talk about. The open gay problem will be around for a long time I'm afraid....