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Sunday, March 15, 2009

Missouri State Troopers now profiling and targetting Libertarians as suspected violent Militia

Have this Bumper Sticker on your Car?

You could get pulled over in Missouri, as a potential "Domestic Terrorist"


by Eric Dondero

Shocking news just breaking in a limited number of major media outlets. Rumors started circulating late last week on websites and blogs, and on fringe radio talk shows. But now the undeniably reputable Kansas City Star is confirming the story.

A document is circulating among various Missouri Law Enforcement Agencies which identifies members of the Libertarian Party or the Constitution Party, as potential members of newly formed Militias.

From the Star, Sunday, March 14:

COLUMBIA, Mo. | A new document meant to help Missouri law enforcement agencies identify militia members or domestic terrorists has drawn criticism for some of the warning signs mentioned.

The Feb. 20 report called "The Modern Militia Movement" mentions such red flags as political bumper stickers for third-party candidates, such as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, who ran for president last year; talk of conspiracy theories, such as the plan for a superhighway linking Canada to Mexico; and possession of subversive literature.
Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol sought to explain the reasons for targetting Libertarians:

"Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it's our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement."
In response, a Libertarian Party representative had this to say:

"It seems like they want to stifle political thought," said Roger Webb, president of the University of Missouri campus Libertarians. "There are a lot of third parties out there, and none of them express any violence. In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don't support violence as a means to any ends."
But the definition of "fringe" is so wide as to even take in many Republicans.

Continuing from the Star:

But Tim Neal, a military veteran and delegate to last year's state GOP convention, was shocked by the report's contents.

"I was going down the list and thinking, 'Check, that's me,'" he said. "I'm a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I've got the 'America: Freedom to Fascism' video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I'm a domestic terrorist? Because I've got a video about the Federal Reserve?"

Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won't know whether it's because he was speeding or because of his political views.

"If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner," Neal said. "And this guy's walking up to my vehicle with a gun.
Ironically, the State of Missouri has over 20 Libertarian Party members serving in public office, including 3 City Councilman in one of the States' largest cities: Springfield. Undoubtably, some of these elected Libertarians in the State have an influence over the decision making and budgetary matters of local law enforcement.

33 comments:

bint alshamsa said...

Well, what do you know! This is hilarious. These people are complaining about profiling now that they might be targeted by it. Are they speaking out against all the other folks who get profiled by police? If profiling makes sense at all, then the police are definitely justified in profiling those who match the description they are using.

The Right Guy said...

No crime has been committed, yet they profile. If this is true, it's going to be a problem.

Bint:
If a cop gets a call that a black male robbed a store and was driving a light blue 1989 lincoln town car, then the cop has a right to suspect black males driving blue lincoln town cars. On the other hand, if the cop has a preconceived notion that blacks commit most crimes, therefore he will pull them over to check them out, that is incorrect.

Nixon said...

The study is here, and watch out for that political paraphernalia!!

Bint, if there was reason to believe that people with Ron Paul bumper stickers we're going to take out DC, the case for profiling could be justified. But this report is just asinine and poor law enforcement.

AnnieMcPhee said...

13,000 terrorist attacks (and counting) by the Arab world and they're profiling third party Americans. Reeeal smart. Not. It helps to, you know, profile where the actual threat is.

At any rate, this was very disturbing. Marking and identifying people by their political beliefs - very very unAmerican. Well Obi-wan also has a call out to ground people to take a pledge to support him and then start identifying all their neighbors so they can map out people by their support or non-support of his Messiah-ness. This is no different; they're marking us and sorting us in every way possible - it might not be for a gun grab, not yet - more likely to more effectively steal the next election.

Anonymous said...

"These people are complaining about profiling now that they might be targeted by it. Are they speaking out against all the other folks who get profiled by police?"

You don't know much about libertarians do you?

Jim Keller said...
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Shark Girl said...

I already have a folder with my name on it on a Pentagon computer. They frequent my Web site, as does the military, the House and the Senate.

Does this mean men dressed in black, wearing sunglasses, are going to shove me in an SUV with tinted windows? *grin*

Half of Americans didn't vote for that unknown guy from Kenya, so I hope they have a Haliburton camp big enough for all of us.

Ooops... is that a conspiracy theory I'm not suppose to talk about?

AnnieMcPhee said...

"I told my conservative friends who supported the Patriot Act that it could, under a Democratic administration, come back to bite then in the ass."

Yeah, I said that too.

The Right Guy said...

Keller:
I have no idea who you are talking about. I was never a huge proponent of the patriot act, as much as someone here thinks I am hitler, although that is another story.

AnnieMcPhee said...

Some people think that all conservatives (even conservative-leaning libertarians) who didn't spend the last 8 years screaming about Bushitler and how he was the incarnation of Satan must have supported the Patriot Act and everything else Bush ever did (including the most liberal actions or the biggest power grabs.) Go figure. It's a very bad assumption to make, though.

The Right Guy said...

I have always said had there been half a dozen or even one armed passenger on each plane that was hijacked on 9/11, things would have turned out differently. No patriot act needed. It's basically populism. The right will pander to security, the left economics. Both sides use straw men in their populist efforts to get us "behind" them. Instead of the patriot act, now have TARP and ARRA. When will the BS end?

Jim Keller said...
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The Right Guy said...

Someone does. :) Must be Obama.

phthaloblu said...

Well, if we all wear rags on our heads, no one will give us a second look because it would be racist to pull over someone that actually looked like a fuckin' terrorist.

Eric Dondero said...

Hey Jim, a lot of Libertarians supported the Patriot Act too, not just Conservatives, myself included, WITH GUSTO!

I don't want some goddamaned Saudi or Syrian "student" who overstayed their Visa here in the US, looking up plans for dirty bombs at my local public library.

Deport the mother fuckers. Just like the Patriot Act supports.

The Right Guy said...

Eric:
You don't need the patriot act to accomplish what you wish.

EDJ said...

Right Guy,

Exactly, we survived over 200 years as a nation before the Ptriot Act came in to place. If we can survive, Hitler and Stalin, I think we can manage with a couple of Muslims who's visas expired

William said...

What in hell is next? Are New Hampshire law enforcement and judicial officals going to profile, convict AND fine everybody who owns an automobile with the words, "Live Free or Die!" on their license plate?"

Terrorism just might become more advantageous to leftist politicians, as they figure out ways to make MORE money off from unspecting serfs. "Freedom? Liberty? May I see your papers, sir? Please come this way ma'am."

bint alshamsa said...

The Right Guy,

On the other hand, if the cop has a preconceived notion that blacks commit most crimes, therefore he will pull them over to check them out, that is incorrect.

I agree with you completely. I just think it's hella funny that it takes being the target of profiling for so many people to care that it goes on.

bint alshamsa said...

Nixon,

Bint, if there was reason to believe that people with Ron Paul bumper stickers we're going to take out DC, the case for profiling could be justified.

That certainly isn't the standard that has been used to decide whether or not profiling is justified, so there's no reason why it should be in this case. People with stickers on their car are just as capable of committing crimes as all the other groups of people on the road, so whatever justification is used to profile them can also be applied to folks with certain bumper stickers.

bint alshamsa said...

Jim Keller,

I told my conservative friends who supported the Patriot Act that it could, under a Democratic administration, come back to bite then in the ass. Well maybe now they will listen. When one person has their rights violated, we all do.

I was a conservative when the PATRIOT ACT came along. At first, I figured that as long as you're not doing anything illegal, you really needn't worry about it because the gov. had better things to do with its time than to investigate average Americans. Boy, was I wrong! When I saw the writing on the wall, I started saying the same thing to other conservatives in my social circle.

Since I feel the same about the Democrats as I do about the Republicans, I don't want or trust Obama's administration with this kind of power over my life.

bint alshamsa said...

Shark Girl,

Ooops... is that a conspiracy theory I'm not suppose to talk about?

Aluminum foil is on sale at Wal-Mart this week.

JustAl said...

I confess that I've not read the Patriot Act, the warrantless wiretap provision is the one that made the most news, so it's the only one I formed an opinion about.

If the powers that be know the phone numbers of suspected terrorist overseas, then tapping the phones of those who call those numbers seems like a logical thing to do.

The problem is how do we qualify those who decide who a terrorist is? We have a guy in the oval office who frequented the home of someone many would consider a terrorist and who now says we can not call them "enemy combatants" anymore.

This problem is the same as any concerning the power of a few over the many,"who watches the watchers?".

Sort of funny to be pointing out both sides of the argument since I've been accused in other threads here of "only seeing black and white." The trouble is that too many people refuse to admit that black and white actually do exist, right along with all of the shades of grey.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the Obamanation!!! It's Tea Party Time!!!! Oh wait, let that be the 2nd Revolution War.

AnnieMcPhee said...

Anybody going to be at NYC or NJ Tea Parties on the 15th? I'm definitely going to one or the other. If I find someone going to one, I'll make it that one.

Time to put our money where our mouths are - though the press has had an absolute BLACKOUT on these Tea Party protests. In fact, when there were 5000+ people gathered in LA, they all started calling the local press, who refused to come out at all. They were told protests of that size weren't covered. Despite that protests of a mere 30 or 40 people had been covered if the cause is leftist. Tiny protests around AIG buildings are getting national attention. Fucking liars. They just don't WANT to cover this; it doesn't fit in with the narrative the dead-tree dead-head DEAD media want to spin.

But it's time now, and anyone who can't be arsed to protest this mad spending spree and shredding of our liberty isn't worth anything.

The Right Guy said...

I'd go to the tea party if I still lived in NY, but such is not the case anymore. You won't find Iowans having any tea parties. It's too risky. :)

AnnieMcPhee said...

There's one in Davenport.

Actually, there's one or more in just about every state - this is a big one. Try this It was down or moving slow for me just now, but it should be back up shortly. If not, I'll see what I can find out. But this is a big one, and pretty important.

The Right Guy said...

Davenport is 200 miles away.

AnnieMcPhee said...

Ah, sorry to hear that. Since there are 100+ scheduled, maybe there's another nearer. I can't get to the site right now.

William said...

Bint said: "Aluminum foil is on sale at Wal-Mart this week."

What, you don't shop at Schegmann's? ;)

William said...

Geez, it has been a long time since my days in the crescent city. That should read "Schwegmann's."

bint alshamsa said...

William,

I love your references to New Orleans. I bet you're the only one on here besides me who even heard of Schwegmann's. Unfortunately, they shut down years ago. When the patriarch of the family retired and passed it down to his kids, they ran it into the ground and eventually they had to close down.

I miss those brown paper bags that EVERYBODY used to wrap their text book at the beginning of the school year. In September, the bags would be printed with the cut out directions to make it easier. My dad worked in their meat department when I was a very little girl. They had the best cuts of meat in the whole city. *sigh*

Wal-Mart could never measure up to Schwegmann's.